Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. After the 2004 sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, AR pistols developed rapidly and have become popular. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. You write as though weve been asleep. Its not difficult. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. Some times they have deals. CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. Both companies are stalwart defenders of 2A rights and arent in the habit of heavily funding Bloomberg puppet, anti gun politicians, as has been discovered of both SA and RRA. An American voting for a Democrat They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. Have you not been following this story? Hopefully this boycott will pass over with minimal job loss to the common machinist. If RRA didnt know about this and, as a sign of their disgust, drops their funding and membership in the trade group youd still hold them accountable? It weighs 10.2 pounds empty and is 43.5 inches long. Oh yes, Illinois folks: start an ACTIVE campaign outing all the IL Representatives that voted for the bill. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. Rock River LAR-8 .308. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. Rock Rivers LAR-15 NSP CAR is a lightweight, reliable, well-made and accurate AR carbine that is ready for duty right out of What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? When no one else had any left. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Some would disagree. I used to have a TRP. Now Springfield will learn the hard way. Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. I think that if gun owners boycotted every company into oblivion that had to compromise at some point there wouldnt be any gun manufacturers around. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. This is why I said should not will. Is there a list somewhere? No they dont. The plant where that rifle is made revitalized the area n which it is made. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. Done. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. Same here. He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! You ask what was Springfield supposed to do? Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. Thanks a bunch pricks! Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. Of course lobbyists have the highest ethical standards, so thats just crazy talk. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. Whats the feedback at the NRA show running like? Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. F$&@ Ruger too! Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller,traded that groups opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing PrairieState firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. People are watching everything the government and companies are doing now. Nobody moves a company to New York (Remington has moved most out). We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. WebRock River Arms creates high quality rifles and pistols on the AR platform. Theyre both stuck now. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. If you are willing to do 9mm, check out an Honor Guard. Instead, we were undercut by aself-serving supposed ally. This isnt really about the law itself. Absolutely love them. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. They have no ethics. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. Good for them. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. And if they do, all the company has to do is say sorry like Ruger. The firearms community will be better without them. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. In fact, I own a Springfield M1A Scout Squad that they gave me free of charge after I encountered a series of malfunctions with an old SAR8. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Sadly I have two. Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 That guy knows the M14 and M1a rifles. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. Never sold out to foreign companies or parts sources or manufacturing or skimped on quality control. Screw CTD. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. I also find their use of Springfield Armory in their advertising repulsive, implying over 240 years of history in the current company, starting in 1777. Pretty small and isolated country town. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmonhappily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he couldcobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. As for furniture, the BT 9 R9 Competition comes with a Hogue overmolded pistol grip and a four-position adjustable Rock River Arms buttstock. Now they will pay the price. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. If youve already implemented them, great. At least the company would survive, even if the move was costly. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. I live in Illinois. If anyone from SAs Corporate Communications department happens upon this post, please get this in front of Dennis Reese and let him know that his actions are shameful, and that he has just traded his honor for a paycheck. Great gun. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. Yes I am planning on moving. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! 3/18/2013. No offense intended. Damn shame. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. Two more companies added to my do not buy from list. WebRock River Arms AR15 Uppers for Sale at Joe Bob Outfitters! Going the other direction nobody would move. Shocking I know. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms NSP CAR Rifle. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. Damage done. Better sell that RRA while you still can. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. Because of rumors of canceled orders. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. I used to love my Springfield XDM and M1a national match. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. Rock River Arms had one seat. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. Hinterland #: 50977; MFG #: MT1800X; In stock. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. The LWRC, DD and BCM are ALL over $1300. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. Moved my medical business AND brought my family. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. Low character move. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? Indiana has a good climate for manufacturers of firearms, and I wouldnt mind seeing a few more ffls open up shop near me in Northwest Indiana, either. Those bastards. We there the courts kill the law or the governor vetoes it, nothing changes the sellout by Springfield. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. Two? Having this blow up the day before a brand-new product launch at the NRA convention is basically the exact opposite of fortuitous timings for Springfield. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. The licensing fee? The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. Glad I happened upon this article. The Ruger is berween $6-700. That should be true. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State Its their prerogative. Other places have them for $200.00. Never a single problem, thousands of rounds. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. Under no circumstances would they sell me any magazines. Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. They can spout their support of the 2A all day, just like Shannon Watts does, but its just words. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. It might not have, but then again, if Senator Harmon didnt think it wouldnt have gotten himthat last vote or two he needed, he wouldnthave offered the deal. An American didnt screw all other American gun-owners. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. I have family that works in the town. CZ-75/85 are great guns. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. Who Makes Rock River Arms? His quote was basically the above damned if I do damned if I dont and that it wasnt worth the headache. Theres no way to know for sure. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. Thats bad math and bad leadership. Youve just restated Bill Rugers justification for selling out gun-rights so he could keep his company viable. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. If theres a silver lining here, this law should be shot down by the courts. They hate this stuff because opponents can use it. Fuck Ruger as well. He was busted before for bribing a Colonel on a Salvadorean arms deal. Huh? Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. I dont expect everyone to feel that way. Make this a massive intractable mess. We need to defend our legacy from the likes of them !! Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. To whom will they sell? And rra. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. S&W was sold for 12% of its former value. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. Taurus? And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. Its transfers. To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. Springfield isnt doing anything that the vast majority of companies do, protecting their bottom line. Rock River Arms guarantees this pistol will shoot 2.5-inch groups at 50 yards with 185-grain Federal Gold Medal Match semi-wadcutter ammo. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. What would you have done differently if you ran SA or RRA with a workforce that is similarly trapped in soviet Illinois and depends on your company staying open and profitable to keep their jobs? Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. We want our dealers and our valued customers to know we wont ever do anything like this again., We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. So many good options, why buy from jackasses. So in a nutshell Ruger and Springfield are now on the list. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. cant hornor us people gun rights I say F THEM ALL. Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. (Im a 30 yr Vet). Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. In the world of .308 Win. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). And unbelievably stupid of Springfield. My time stinks apparently. thats the one ive just stopped considering. You are both dead to me now. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. Good luck RRA. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. it I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. Could be paperweights. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. Its called doing business. Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. An XD and its in .40? Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. Yuge. Screw them. CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. As far as Im concerned, Smith and Wesson are still shit given they operate in communist MA and they should have packed up an left after what that bitch Maura Healey did last year. They keep voting for F#$%ing Democrats. Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? ), I DO have a choice with firearms. If these dam gun man. Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. It is the fault of the people in Illinois. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. All things considered, a Henry Big Boy in .44mag is more likely to see the inside of my safe than a M1A1. RRA should be punished too. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, Huh? At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. No more. Thats rolling over and showing your belly while wagging your tail. I hear you on that Ruger. I think probably not. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. Im not ordering anything Springfield. Rock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer located in Colona, Illinois. That will never happen now. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. Wheres the proof they had enough influence to dictate what that organization did. Layoffs to follow. I fail to see how giving the box stores a leg up on the gun shops helps Rock River or Springfield Arms in any way. Springfield Armorys Defend your legacy has a huge hypocritical meaning now. Dennis Reeses statement to TTAGon IFMAs deal was insulting. 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